The Economy of Everything
The Economy of Everything explores the intersection of major economic headlines and everyday life. Hosted by NZ Herald's business editor at large Liam Dann and business editor Tamsyn Parker, the weekly show covers markets, interest rates, jobs, housing, and the cost of living. A monthly segment, Money Talks, features high-profile guests discussing their personal relationship with money. The podcast is presented in partnership with CMC Markets.
Episodes
Is New Zealand finally through the worst?
There are signs of optimism in the New Zealand economy, but are we ready to believe in the recovery? Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker look at the latest economic signals, from falling petrol prices and a stronger sharemarket to the lingering pressure on households. They also discuss new research showing young New Zealanders are more worried about the cost of living than their global peers, the impact o
Is the AI Boom too good to be true?
Could the AI frenzy end in a painful market correction? Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker discuss the warnings and what it could mean for KiwiSaver. Plus, should the Reserve Bank should leave interest rates alone? And what does the falling New Zealand dollar mean for you? The Economy of Everything is brought to you by CMC Markets. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
'Take it off me, make me save' - could compulsory KiwiSaver protect our future?
National's proposal to make KiwiSaver compulsory could be one of the biggest changes to New Zealand's retirement system in decades. Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker break down what it would mean for workers, businesses and future retirees. Is compulsory saving the key to closing the wealth gap with Australia? They also examine new data on the cost of living, wage growth and why so many New Zealanders f
Will cheaper petrol finally kickstart New Zealand's recovery?
The US-Iran peace deal has brought down oil prices and eased some inflation fears. Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker discuss what that means for Kiwi wallets, the outlook for interest rates, and whether New Zealand's long-awaited recovery might finally be gaining momentum.Plus, what can we learn from Switzerland's debate over immigration and population growth? The Economy of Everything is brought to you
Money Talks: What NZ gets wrong about growth with Kelly Eckhold
From collecting bottles for pocket money in small town South Canterbury to advising governments at the IMF, Westpac chief economist Kelly Eckhold has spent a lifetime thinking about how economies work. He joins Money Talks to discuss inflation, productivity, inequality and why New Zealand's biggest challenge may not be how we divide the pie, but how we grow it.Money Talks is brought to you by CMC
The great property reset
House prices are still falling in real terms, construction is slowing and businesses are losing faith in a quick recovery. Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker discuss what could be New Zealand's biggest property reset in decades, They also explain why Auckland's economy is feeling the pain and consider whether upcoming GDP figures will show the recovery has stalled once again (probably). The Economy
The superannuation reckoning
Should the retirement age rise to 67? Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker discuss the growing cost of NZ Super and whether younger generations are being asked to foot the bill. They also look at the surprising figures opposed to the potential rise in retirement age. Plus, a new levy on banks and insurers, the Heartland-TSB merger and what a split OCR vote could mean for mortgage holders. The Econom
Budget 2026: Even grown-ups like presents at Christmas
Thursday's Budget is being illed as 'grown-up' with no lolly scrambles under a cloud of tough choices ahead. But with rising mortgage costs and stubborn inflation, will the Government deliver something people can actually feel in their wallets? Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker unpack what’s been revealed ahead of Budget day and what might still be hiding in the numbers.Plus, are mortgage holders
Oil prices, inflation & interest rates: Is the worst still coming?
Oil prices surged, inflation risks are rising again, and all eyes are now on the Reserve Bank’s next OCR decision. Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker break down why petrol prices haven’t hit worst-case forecasts, what it means for the wider economy, and whether interest rate hikes are coming sooner than expected. The Economy of Everything is brought to you by NZ Herald in partnership with CMC
Our young people are chasing the Kiwi dream ... in Australia
It might feel weird telling the young people in your life to pack up and head across the ditch for better prospects, but right now it may actually be the best advice. Youth unemployment is sitting at worrying levels in New Zealand, the cost of living crisis is dragging on and somehow our mates in Australia seem to have jobs to spare and money to burn. Join Liam Dann and Tamsyn Parker
Is this just life now? When the cost of living crisis becomes the new normal
Welcome to the first episode of The Economy of Everything, with thanks to CMC Markets. To kick things off, our hosts Tamsyn Parker and Liam Dann tackle the cost of living crisis, what's happening with markets as the Middle East war kicks back into gear, and the significance of today's unemployment data release. The Economy of Everything is brought to you by NZ Herald in partnership wi
Closing the books: the best of Money Talks, 2025
For the final episode of season eight, Liam is joined by Money Talks producer Jane Yee to look back at the best bits of the show for 2025. A huge thanks to all our guests for sharing their money journeys with us. Thanks also to editor Richard Martin for bringing the show to life. See you in 2026!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Nigel Latta 'What matters is time with people you love' (reissue)
In May, we launched this season of Money Talks with Nigel Latta - clinical psychologist, author, broadcaster, and friend of host Liam Dann. With the sad news of Nigel’s passing, we’re reissuing that conversation to honour his voice and perspective. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
From a hair transplant to a $12k daybed: Sam Wallace breaks down the costs of fame
Liam Dann sits down with broadcaster Sam Wallace to explore the financial realities behind the glitz and glamour of fame. Sam opens up about the pressures of maintaining a public image, the unexpected costs of staying relevant, and the personal sacrifices made along the way. From hair transplants to high-end home furnishings, the conversation delves into the hidden expenses that come with a career
Health cover premiums are rising. An insurance CEO tells us why
What’s really behind rising health insurance premiums? Southern Cross Medical Care Society CEO, Nick Astwick, joins Liam to talk about the challenge of funding care and striking the balance between health and wealth, and why he reckons your health is a more valuable asset than your house. Nick also shares his own money journey, from childhood lessons to career-defining choices, offering his
From hippy to peanut butter hero: The wild adventures of Pic Picot
Pic Picot has lived his life like it's one big experiment. He's tried a bit of this, had success with a bit of that, lived on a commune, sailed the Pacific and modified a concrete mixer to roast peanuts in. The latter was the humble beginnings of what you'll now know as Pic's Peanut Butter. The self-confessed hippy joins Liam to talk risk-taking, money-making and the future of the beloved Pic's br
Westpac CEO Catherine McGrath on what keeps her awake at night
What does it mean to be responsible for one of New Zealand’s biggest banks? Westpac CEO Catherine McGrath joins Liam Dann to discuss the responsibility of holding billions in public trust, how she manages risk, and the human side of leading in high-stakes environments. From money management lessons to her personal journey in banking, Catherine shares insights on resilience, leadership, and f
Bree Tomasel on being a "shit-talking hustler"
Broadcaster, author and Taskmaster NZ star Bree Tomasel reckons her whole job can be summed up as “talking shit for a living.” But behind the laughs is grit, hustle and a surprisingly conservative approach to money. She chats with Liam Dann about farm life, broke uni days, indulgent splurges and whether she'd take a million right now or risk it all for a 50/50 shot at a billion.
Michael Van De Elzen: From chicken manure to celebrity chef (but don’t call him that)
Chef, TV host and farmer Mike Van de Elzen has worked in some of the toughest kitchens in the world, from London’s high-pressure restaurant scene to running his own award-winning eateries in Aotearoa. He joins Liam Dann to talk about growing up on a Henderson poultry farm, funding his first motorbike with chicken manure sales, surviving on scraps in London and why the term “celebrity c
Wayne Boyd: Insights from a career spent on over 160 boards
This week, prolific board director Wayne Boyd shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, including pivoting from his planned legal career to helping break up Telecom, and his other high-profile board roles.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Opes Partners' Andrew Nicol: From 'poor' upbringing to owning 43 houses
This week, founder and managing partner of property investment company Opes Partners, Andrew Nicol, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. From his family's financial struggles growing up in Christchurch, bothering banks for their reports for a school competition, choosing a career over uni - and how that led to him buying his first home at 19, sparking a career and a businessSee
Two Raw Sisters: How they overcame health problems to become media moguls and healthy eating advocates
This week, Rosa Powers and Margot Flanagan - better known as the Two Raw Sisters - join Liam Dann to share their best and worst money stories, from how their parent's were early motivators in their careers, to the health battles and personal struggles they had to overcome in order to mend their relationship, and how that has led to a successful brand that covers cookbooks, apps, and podcasts. 
Perpetual Guardian's Patrick Gamble: What he learned from his own financial hardships and property mistakes
This week, Perpetual Guardian chief executive Patrick Gamble shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, including his family's life changing move to Ireland when he was a toddler, his experiences dabbling in the property market while at university - and failing - and how he ended up as a Special Envoy for Ukraine. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Girls Get Off co-founders Viv Conway and Jo Cummins: Behind the scenes of the business the banks didn't want to touch
This week, the co-founders behind sexual wellness brand Girls Get Off, Viv Conway and Jo Cummins, join Liam to discuss how their different experiences at school and growing up lead to them crossing paths, and eventually starting a business that wants to change how people talk about sex - even if banks, insurers and social media companies aren't quite on board yet. See omnystudio.com/listener
Dame Julie Chapman: How an abusive relationship shaped her move into charities like KidsCan
This week, the founder and CEO of KidsCan and Pet Refuge, Dame Julie Chapman, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, from how she originally planned to being a cop to how the need for her charities has increased over the years. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Entrepreneur Derek Handley on tech, housing, and getting dumped by Jacinda Ardern's government
This week, Liam is joined by entrepreneur Derek Handley to discuss his varied career in the tech and startup space and how that has changed over the last two decades, and why he is now trying to get young people into their first homes faster with his latest venture, Aera. And he weighs in on the future of AI and our jobs, and his feelings about politics after the public controversy over the Labour
Icehouse CEO Olivia Blaylock: How cancer and the GFC informed how she runs her businesses
This week, CEO of The Icehouse Olivia Blaylock shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann - from her start in the business world, her experience running her own company, what more can be done to help entrepreneurs and business owners in NZ, and how dealing with lockdowns, the GFC and cancer in her family helped her learn what's important in running a business. See omnystudio.com/l
Comedian Chris Parker: ' I'm going end Tall Poppy Syndrome by just saying it doesn't exist'
This week, multi-talented entertainer Chris Parker shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, from his first childhood job starring in a milk ad, to being unable to buy a drink on his first date with his future husband, and how he maintains his increasingly varied workload. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
2degrees boss Mark Callendar: 'I didn’t set out to be a CEO. That was a bit of a Sliding Doors moment'
This week, the chief executive of 2degrees, Mark Callendar, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann, including his unusual path to running a major company, and the current state of the telco industry. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Georgia Lines: 'I never considered swapping music for something that might make more sense financially'
This week, Liam is joined by singer-songwriter Georgia Lines, who shares her best and worst money stories - from starting her own businesses as a teenager, to how money has impacted her art. Georgia is nominated for four Aotearoa Music Awards, being handed out tonight, and will perform Under the Stars with Friends at the Auckland Live Cabaret Season - tickets and details available here: http
Pals co-founders Mat Croad and Nick Marshall: From childhood friends to RTD moguls
This week, Liam is joined by Mat Croad and Nick Marshall, co-founders of RTD business Pals, to discuss how a previous failure informed their meteoric rise in the drinks world, growing up in Tauranga together, and the different career paths they took before working together. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
NZ Super chief Jo Townsend: From 'pretty tough' upbringing in rural Tasmania to running an $80 billion fund
This week, chief executive of the NZ Super Fund, Jo Townsend, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann - from her upbringing in rural Tasmania in the 1970s, to working on the trading floors in Sydney, to getting into the super industry. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Nigel Latta: 'The money stuff literally doesn’t matter to me. What matters is time'
This week, for the first guest of the new season, Liam is joined by clinical psychologist, author and TV presenter, Nigel Latta, to discuss his career on and off camera, his cancer diagnosis last year, and his new app Parentland. You can find more details on it and how to download it at https://www.parentland.app/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Sir Bill English: 'It's easy to advocate change if you don't have to look into the eyes of those facing the consequences'
For the final episode of the year, former Prime Minister Sir Bill English shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Musician Jon Toogood: How converting to Islam changed his views on money
Musician and Shihad frontman Jon Toogood shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
MP turned CEO Simon Power: 'I believe in the power of market economies'
Former National Party MP and Minister, acting CEO of Westpac, CEO of TVNZ, and now CEO of Fisher Funds, Simon Power, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
NZ Initiative's Oliver Hartwich: 'Germans hate inflation with a passion'
Economist Oliver Hartwich shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Suzanne Paul: 'People didn't want me to be motivated by money'
Businesswoman, TV star and informercial icon Suzanne Paul shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. Suzanne returns to Celebrity Treasure Island, airing on TVNZ2 from Monday September 9th.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Former All Blacks manager Darren Shand: 'It wasn’t something that I had put on my life path'
Darren Shand, who spent 20 years as manager of the All Blacks before launching his own company, Winning Teams, shares his and best money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
EnableMe's Hannah McQueen: 'Earning money doesn’t mean that you know how to grow wealth'
EnableMe founder and author of Kill Your Mortgage & Sort Your Retirement, Hannah McQueen, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Bayleys' Lloyd Budd: 'Sometimes we have to say, what are the sacrifices?'
Chief Executive Officer for Bayleys Auckland, Lloyd Budd, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Foodstuffs' Chris Quin: 'It’s very real to me what has happened with food price inflation'
Foodstuffs chief executive Chris Quin shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Jack Tame: 'I saved from the word go - very nerdily'
TVNZ and Newstalk ZB host Jack Tame shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Dame Wendy Pye: 'There’s nothing wrong with making money out of helping people'
Rich-lister, Sunshine Books founder, and author of Teaching the World to Read, Dame Wendy Pye, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
ACT leader David Seymour: 'I’m a liberal in the classical and consistent sense of it'
ACT leader, MP for Epsom and Associate Finance Minister - amongst other portfolios - David Seymour shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Author Emily Perkins: ‘We’re always going to be drawn to stories about the unhappy rich’
Ockahm Award-winning author of Lioness, Emily Perkins, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Briscoes owner Rod Duke: 'I don't spend a lot of money on myself'
Briscoes Group managing director and majority owner Rod Duke shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
ASB CEO Vittoria Shortt: 'Don’t go and choose something because it pays'
ASB CEO and the highest paid female executive in New Zealand, Vittoria Shortt, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Business leader Rob Campbell: ‘I don’t mind being called a Marxist’
Business leader Rob Campbell shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Labour's Barbara Edmonds: 'There was some times when the cupboards would be bare'
Labour's finance spokesperson and former tax lawyer, Barbara Edmonds, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Emma Lewisham on creating her own company: 'If there’s a backup plan, you’re not going to go all in'
Emma Lewisham, co-founder and CEO of her eponymous beauty brand, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
AA CEO Nadine Tereora: 'Work hard in silence and let success be your noise'
The first female CEO of AA, Nadine Tereora, shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Guyon Espiner on media cuts: 'It's like we've been running from the tsunami for a long time'
Broadcaster and host of RNZ's new '30' podcast, Guyon Espiner, shares his best and worst money stories with his childhood friend, Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Andrew Barnes on 4-day weeks: 'If that's my legacy, that's better than anything else I've ever done'
Former Perpetual Guardian boss turned four day working week pioneer, Andrew Barnes, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Ockham co-founder Mark Todd: 'I find it quite motivating to spend a little bit of money on things that are unnecessary'
Co-founder and development manager for Ockham Residential, Mark Todd, shares hi best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Comedian Hayley Sproull: 'I didn't get into this career for money'
Comedian, Flech, Vaughan and Hayley co-host, and co-host of the Sex.Life podcast, Hayley Sproull, shares her best and worst finance stories with Liam Dann. Hayley's show, Wild Flutters, is at the International Comedy Festival this month. Click here for tickets for Auckland and Wellington: https://www.comedyfestival.co.nz/find-a-show/wild-flutters/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy inform
Stacey Morrison: 'I’ve had to work on getting out of a poverty mindset'
Flava Breakfast co-host and host of the Up to Speed podcast, Stacey Morrison, shares her best and worst finance stories with Liam Dann. New episodes of Money Talks return in 2024. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Healthcare entrepreneur Ranjna Patel: 'Output is one thing, but outcomes are more important'
Healthcare entrepreneur and philanthropist Ranjna Patel shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Sudima founder Sudesh Jhunjhnuwala: 'I’m a vegetarian so I can’t go and buy cavier and filet mignons'
Founder of Sudima hotels Sudesh Jhunjhnuwala shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Spark CEO Jolie Hodson: 'You don’t want to get to the end of life and think: I spent a lot of time working'
Spark chief executive Jolie Hodson shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mint's Rebecca Thomas: 'Money was not a taboo subject in our household'
Founder and CEO of Mint Asset Management Rebecca Thomas tells Liam Dann that the financial ups and downs of a life in business were clear to her from an early age.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
CTI winner James Mustapic: 'I do try to be sensible with money - you may not have a gig for weeks'
Comedian, host of Queer Academy, and Celebrity Treasure Island 2023 winner, James Mustapic, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Simplicity's Sam Stubbs: 'I'm probably the most hated man in business'
Co-founder and Managing Director of Simplicity KiwiSaver scheme, Sam Stubbs, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
MKR NZ's Manu and Colin: 'Being a chef is not the ideal way to make money'
Chefs, restaurant owners and hosts of My Kitchen Rules NZ, Manu Feildel and Colin Fassnidge, share their best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Jesse Mulligan: 'I think I’m probably the last generation of TV presenters'
RNZ Afternoons host, The Project co-host and Viva restaurant reviewer, Jesse Mulligan, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Patrick Gower: 'I’m probably the worst with money that has ever been on this podcast'
Newshub National Correspondent and host of Paddy Gower Has Issues, Patrick Gower, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Dame Therese Walsh: 'I don’t aspire to be incredibly wealthy'
Chair of Air New Zealand, ASB and Project Zero Dame Therese Walsh shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Sharesies co-founder Leighton Roberts: 'The economics are a little bit twisted in New Zealand'
Sharesies co-founder and co-chief executive Leighton Roberts shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Broadcaster Toni Street: 'Unfortunately, I am a spender'
Coast Breakfast and We Need to Talk podcast host Toni Street shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Comedian Michèle A'Court: 'Money was an impolite subject of conversation'
Comedian and writer Michèle A'Court shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
TOP leader Raf Manji: 'The stain and the scars of the 80s inform a lot of NZ politics'
Former investment banker turned city councillor and TOP leader Raf Manji shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Partners Life founder Naomi Ballantyne: 'My first memories of money were not having any'
Businesswoman and founder of Partners Life Naomi Ballantyne shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Sir Roger Douglas on 'Rogernomics': 'We were faced with a problem, we needed to fix it'
Former Finance Minister and co-founder of the ACT Party Sir Roger Douglas shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Sir John Key: 'Nothing terrifies people more than that they'll run out of money'
Former New Zealand Prime Minister Sir John Key shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
JP Pomare: 'I embraced being completely broke'
Bestselling author of Call Me Evie, In the Clearing and The Wrong Woman, JP Pomare, shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann. For more details of the Crime After Crime tour, click hereSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Corin Dann: 'I was just so stoked to have a job washing dishes'
Broadcaster Corin Dann shares his best and worst money stories with his brother, Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mary Holm: 'People get too scared to spend money'
Financial journalist, columnist and author Mary Holm shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Shamubeel Eaqub: 'A lot of economics is shades of grey'
Economist Shamubeel Eaqub shares his best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Heather du Plessis-Allan: 'I'm so tightfisted my mum yelled at me the other day'
Journalist and host of Newstalk ZB Drive Heather du Plessis-Allan shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Antonia Watson: 'Banking is borrowing money from people - there's a huge amount of trust'
Chief Executive of ANZ New Zealand Antonia Watson shares her best and worst money stories with Liam Dann.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
